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evandors



Joined: 23 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Apr Wed 01, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erin - you are "tired of all the negativity" ? Well your response was certainly positive and uplifting !!

Lvbear - I LOVE youur reports. I personally get tired of the constant talk of "comped rooms and meals". I have a feeling those are not particularly "free" when you check your bankroll at the end of a trip.

Personally I pay my own way and by getting the most favorable odds/game play I do not have to worry about that latest deal on a room or buffet. But, I do not feel the need to tell everyone else what they should be talking about here.
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ErininSD



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PostPosted: Apr Wed 01, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I could care less what you think about my post.

Have a great day!! Very Happy
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evandors



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PostPosted: Apr Wed 01, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh by the way....I am assuming you mean that you couldn't care less. When you say "I could care less" it actually means that you do care.
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hawk



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PostPosted: Apr Wed 01, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: back to grade school Reply with quote

Now, now, children. We are on the brink of seeing some of these posts deleted by the moderator.
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Dave



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 02, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely coming into this one late but after reading Erin's posts I have to admit I have often wondered is there any Casinos you do like Bear? I have to say it is hard to understand a person that likes Reno yet cheers when different Casinos shut down. It seems like you actually get a kick out of it. Wonderful you can make a living that way and more power to you - heck I am jealous. You may want to be careful though, at the rate you are going and the way things are in Reno, you are going to shut all of those "dumps" down. Then you may be forced to work with all of those damn ploppies!
You ever gamble at the Indian Casinos? As well as you do you should take a few of those places down. Now there is a worthwhile project!
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alison



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 02, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too find bears post Intersting, but do feel like they tend to be more negative. Most of us here on this board just gamble for the fun of it. We arent here to make a living outta it.

So Evandors, you get tired of hearing about comped rooms and meals? really? Is that because you dont get comps? Yes in the scheme of things its not really "free". i just look at it this way. I was going to spend the money in the casino anyways. With or Without comps. If i am able to stay a week in reno and lake tahoe, and not have to actually pay for the room out of my money, and Spend $1000.00 over several days of gambing, then thats a pretty cheap vacation. I am going to take advantage of whatever i can get...lol
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hawk



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 02, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Bare Posts Reply with quote

I too appreciate Bear's knowledge and input. Sure he is opinionated. But he is not negative towards our individual board members. That is the key. Let's keep our board on the positive track.

Hey, look at Remano's posts. They are ALWAYS positive and balance the negative posts. so let's cut some slack for the Bear and be happy for any inside knowledge he has to share. Take it all with a grain of salt.

Please, no personal slams against anyone or you too could be history.
Take that crap to another board.

This is a FAMILY board.
That being said, I shall now flit back to my comfy nest in the Hawk Kingdom.
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lvbear584



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 02, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Comments Reply with quote

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I have often wondered is there any Casinos you do like Bear? I have to say it is hard to understand a person that likes Reno yet cheers when different Casinos shut down.


I like Reno. I do not like casinos. I have battled with casinos almost daily for over ten years. I have seen a lot of despicable things done by casino people. As I stated earlier in this thread:

Casinos are parasites on society. In turn, I am a parasite on the casino industry. I dislike most casinos in Reno and Wendover FAR LESS than I dislike casinos in general. Most Reno and Wendover casinos are still trying to offer a reasonable "entertainment experience" for their patrons without outright fleecing them as quickly as do the Las Vegas and California Indian casinos.

If you take a look at the "General Guide" I posted here:

http://visitreno.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=912

I made the following comments, which should illustrate that I am not ALWAYS "negative" towards ALL casinos:

ATLANTIS: A nice, well-run casino that is playable at all stakes.
ELDORADO: A nice casino with good games ...
GRAND SIERRA: A nice casino that is playable at all stakes.
(JA) NUGGET : A nice casino that is playable at all stakes.
PEPPERMILL: A nice casino that is playable at all stakes ...
SIENA: ... I like the place and hope it survives ...


I am glad when INCOMPETENTLY MANAGED casinos fail. In most cases, their owners/managers deserve to fail. Fitzgeralds, Silver Club and Herbst Gaming's two Reno-area dumps are recent examples. All were/are incompetently managed casinos. My hope is that competent operators take over the carcasses of dead casinos. In most cases, what is good for the casino in maximizing its profits is also good for the skilled patron. Competent casino operators understand that fact, and are not so afraid of someone actually winning money from them from time to time.

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You ever gamble at the Indian Casinos?


Rarely. As useless as the Nevada Gaming Control Board is when it comes to patron protection, it is good compared to the lack of any meaningful patron protection safeguards and lack of legitimate regulation of Indian casinos. I do not trust Indian casinos, and do not feel physically safe from violent crimes their employees might commit against me if there is a dispute.

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I too appreciate Bear's knowledge and input. Sure he is opinionated. But he is not negative towards our individual board members.


Thank you. I always try to be polite and respectful, even when delivering messages some might not want to read or acknowledge. If I have somehow offended someone, I apologize.
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ErininSD



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 16, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Comments Reply with quote

[quote="lvbear584"]
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I like Reno. I do not like casinos. I have battled with casinos almost daily for over ten years. I have seen a lot of despicable things done by casino people.



So if casinos make you that unhappy, why would you not find another profession?

I tell anyone that whines and complains about there job to do something about it. Whining and complaining gets you nowhere and just makes you miserable...IMO
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ErininSD



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 16, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

evandors wrote:
Oh by the way....I am assuming you mean that you couldn't care less. When you say "I could care less" it actually means that you do care.


"There’s been debate over this phrase in the linguistics community for years. Some scholars have presented fairly convincing evidence that “could care less” was originally used not in error, but as a sarcastic re-tooling of the original phrase."


I was using it as a sarcasti re-tooling of the original phrase...LOL Very Happy
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remano



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PostPosted: Apr Thu 16, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Comments Reply with quote

[quote="ErininSD"][quote="lvbear584"]
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I like Reno. I do not like casinos. I have battled with casinos almost daily for over ten years. I have seen a lot of despicable things done by casino people.



So if casinos make you that unhappy, why would you not find another profession?]

I think lvbear is fully capable of defending himself but I would like to put in my 2 cents worth here as well. He never said casinos made him unhappy. He said he has done battle with them for a long time. If Tom Brady says he expects to do battle with the Cleveland Browns that does not mean he is unhappy playing against them. Just the opposite, he enjoys the challenge and the competition, he just wants the game to be played on a level playing field. The same can be said for lvbear. He is doing battle, and far from being unhappy, he is happy that he has found a way to tilt that playing field from one that favors the casino to one that is pretty close to level. His asaults on the rip-off casinos are meant to help the rest of us find the games that offer the best value for ourselves, and I don't see that as a bad thing.

For the most part his posts don't help me a lot because I don't gamble at the same level as he does. For me it's like the difference between losing $5.00 or losing $7.50. For him it's like the difference between paying the mortgage or going into foreclosure. But I still find his posts interesting and entertaining, and I especially appreciate the fact that his posts are, for the most part, objective and devoid of personal attacks. The only exception I would make to this is his continuing reference to other players as a "ploppy," which seems to me to be a condescending reference to another player with less skills than his own who "plops" down to play at his table. Any serious practicioner of blackjack knows that his long term results don't depend on the play of anybody else at the table, "ploppy" or not, but depend only on his own choices given the cards in his hand vs. the dealer's exposed card and the combinations that can be made from that.

Maybe I misunderstand his use of the word "ploppy," and if so I welcome his correction. But other than that I appreciate his contributions and I look forward to many more in the future.

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lvbear584



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PostPosted: Apr Mon 20, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: "Ploppies" Reply with quote

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Any serious practitioner of blackjack knows that his long term results don't depend on the play of anybody else at the table, "ploppy" or not ...


The above is absolutely correct. I have never complained about the poor play of another player. It has no long-term effect on me whatsoever. However, the presence of other players IS harmful to me, because of many factors, including the following, in approximate order of importance:

1. The effective deck penetration is reduced when there is more than one player. On many games, with more than one other player or hand at the table, the game becomes totally unplayable.

2. "Ploppies" usually play slowly, reducing my hands per hour.

3. "Ploppies" often waste time on the side bets, such as Royal Match.

4. "Ploppies" often buy in for tiny amounts, lose their money, then buy in again and again, further slowing the game.

5. "Ploppies" often engage the dealer in pointless conversation, further slowing the game.

6. "Ploppies" often point out or complain about unusual plays I make, bringing unwanted attention to my play.

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Maybe I misunderstand his use of the word "ploppy," and if so I welcome his correction.


Yes, ploppy is a pejorative term. I will be more circumspect in my usage of it on this board in the future, as well as on other boards that are geared primarily to the average casino patron. I contribute to several boards, most of which are geared specifically for the advantage player. Most advantage players do not understand why "ploppies" play at all; the "entertainment value" of playing is something that is foreign to most of us.

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But other than that I appreciate his contributions and I look forward to many more in the future.


Thank you.
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Shooty



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PostPosted: Apr Wed 22, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: More than Enough for Me Reply with quote

LVBear's knowledge and experience don't trump his (her?) constant hostility towards, well, pretty much everything, at least as he's expressed it in this forum. Years of it now.

lvbear584 wrote:
Unfortunately, Grand Sierra is sweating the games again, including a string of recent backoffs of brain-using patrons.

One of many examples of the insults LVBear repeatedly hurls at those of us who, somehow, continue to resist the urge to become professional gamblers.

http://visitreno.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=928

At this point I choose not to read his posts. Godspeed to those that have use for him.
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stan_allen



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PostPosted: Apr Wed 22, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Does the bear growl in the woods? Reply with quote

Boy, this thread has legs - LVBear clearly hits a few nerves, though I still can't quite see the substantial reason why. I can add only that the referenced line from the recent review of the Grand Sierra is insulting to the Grand Sierra's management only.

If you make the effort to count cards, or even just learn to play with basic strategy, which most people don't - and then the casino starts re-shuffling after every other hand, wouldn't you be insulted? I sure would, and I wouldn't hesitate to broadcast it on the internet.

But if you'd like, you could set up a counter-commentary site, and call it "The bear snoozes" or something, for comedic value.
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